1.8% Odds? Why the NBA Draft Isn’t Rigged

WES (00:00.174)
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Alright, seems like everyone's signing with me. So then it's like, alright, and it's like my little family. What's up, buddy? It's another episode, a lovely episode of Strikes and Ends of Podcast. I'm the producer, Wes, but more importantly, the apple to my eye. Is that too romantic? Trey Ballard! Trey Ballard, everybody! Nah, you know, it's uh, we're like JD and Turd. Do you ever watch Trey?

Thank

Trey (00:22.708)
Romantic, man, it's never such a...

WES (00:33.646)
Oh, yeah JD and just the Dr. Cox sneak hug I can go on college yeah

Barriers.

Trey (00:45.294)
I need to man. I need to that bro. That was my shit, bro. This is when I'm like I Literally went back and rewatched it like because I watched it when it was on TV I went and rewatched it when it got on stream

Yeah. Oh yeah. That was, uh, yeah, that was where, uh, my buddy, Matt and I moved here by every one of my girlfriends, even, uh, my only wife, Victoria, she's like, why would I watch JD and Turk? That's like you and Matt. I'm like, who's this guy? Between two guys. It's a bromance. It's a bromance. The old one.

Yeah, no, mean, shit, that show was crazy, that was one of my shows. Two and a half men, mouth was in the middle.

Malcolm in the middle, that was zone entity. That was like the first anti-sick call. Yeah. That was great. And then, I mean, I guess when I was in high school, that's when like Friends was coming to the end. I remember like in the 90s it was big, like Will, you know, had your full house. Friends. Yeah, all that.

see it bro.

Trey (01:46.19)
Yeah.

Yeah

Nah, TGIF used to be the shit. TGIF was every... so you had Family Matters, Full House, we always on there. Friday night, thank god it's Friday and then you had Saturday morning cartoons.

it was like a Friday.

Trey (02:11.468)
yeah, no, see I didn't watch the Friday night shit cause I was... Really? Well that and also I was going to the football game so yeah, football game.

Yeah, I was in Alice Elementary School. This was like, know, mid-90s.

I was born in 1995. I was like... I was like, bro, I can forget all...

I was thinking about this every time you mentioned that. So if I was like so 9 years older than you, so at graduating high school I would be 18. You would have been 9. it's like, we were buddies. I'm yo, who's your buddy? I'm like, oh, this 9 year old guy over here. He's my really good friend. is my buddy. Don't worry, when he grows up, he's gonna be awesome.

That's really

Trey (02:55.182)
That's honestly how it is. You got that age gap. just like damn if we were like about when I was 18, know me like right?

Yeah, well Victoria is five years older than me so when she graduated high school I was going into ninth grade. So I was technically eight. When like, yeah babe, when I was like, graduated high school? You had your eye, had some sweet little 13 year old, you had a little cradle robber you.

WES (03:23.502)
Yeah, I mean always thought... What a, like what junior high or freshman in high school kid boy didn't have a crush on seniors? That's just, on. Next thing you it's like your first love. It's like Jessica Rabbit. Oh yes I do. Well come on, my reasoning is their boobs were bigger. And they had...

chorus.

Trey (03:37.759)
You're you're like older woman. No, he's like older woman. Yeah

WES (03:47.95)
They kind of knew what they were doing. A mob of voters in the middle of class. It was really... Yeah, but going back to the last episode, Mark Stewart, you don't have to put a gun in my head.

Yeah, that's super valid.

Trey (04:02.378)
Hey, that makes one of us, but like...

Actually, I think today is the anniversary of that. Was that last week the anniversary of it? Hell yeah. So she came to Dallas, she was like, here's some boy named Trey.

That was last week.

Trey (04:18.541)
No, I don't think she said that but because think she has some other shit going on I'm about to she I'm about to say has some other shit going on

No, I know she did.

WES (04:24.972)
Yeah, like I know she called me and I tell her I'm like Martha.

Damn, I didn't even get to go up there on Tuesday for Cheech and Charm. I forgot. I didn't even get to go.

They were here?

WES (04:37.856)
And you even blunted and you didn't go see cheese and chocolate. You're like, yeah, I actually did. I went so cheese and chocolate.

Now I did, yeah, I went to show myself. I didn't go to the but they didn't have been at my job.

Damn, that would've awesome. Like you said, everything comes through Dallas. This is not the last time. No, a few.

does it.

Trey (04:59.615)
Like I Martha Stewart Jesus on within a week span like I And I have told you anything about to hear anything and that was super random he did not like a place for a range

Merrill and Vance will be here in a few weeks.

WES (05:11.982)
Yeah, you know, no big deal. And that was the... and this was in this is a blaze and I know it's political and not a big deal. Do you remember... Do you know who Sean Spicer is? Yeah, he can't... I've met him today. Yeah, they're like, oh, Sean Spicer. like, you mean that little guy that was like a train wreck? And they're like, yeah, Jeff, guy I do Tooth of Fat with.

Yeah.

WES (05:35.182)
was like, yeah, guy's a fucking dick. I mean, yeah. Okay, officially he didn't say that, but he did say that. Yeah, so.

He was like...

Trey (05:44.62)
He hinted at it. He definitely hinted at it. yeah, no, bro. It's been pretty cool. So all these people coming in and seeing him. yeah. Summertime, you know what that brings, bro. It's going to get crazy.

and it's just become summertime.

And shout out to my best friend Matt. He'll be here next on 21st. So you'll actually have two of you who know all about sports. If you let one. Yeah.

any sort of special guests that want to come on, brah.

Yeah, so he talks whatever. Like if you put my knowledge of newbies and your knowledge of sports, that's Matt. So yeah. Matt, you got some big shoes to fill? Nah.

Trey (06:25.998)
You know, that's what we're trying to do, bro. We're just trying to keep going and expanding and doing it.

He's gonna help build this. So, second floor is always growing.

WES (06:37.774)
And personal shout out before we get into the sports is thank you for liking the shorts. So many people. So since I posted on Sunday our first one, so just been pulling from the past two weeks, we've gotten out of the four that we've done, it's been 5,000 views. I don't know if that's the new algorithm. I don't know. not questioning.

We was talking crazy on there.

Trey (07:01.823)
We're going to going.

We did find out the topics you guys like it unfortunately has nothing really. Well, unless it's a rant. The next I think not next one posting the one after that will be one of your LeBron Like with the straight-to-camera like you have one job. Yeah, you're a shit-talking Luca

Yeah, marmins. Because marmins are that, you know, they laugh at marmins.

Trey (07:25.102)
Good, LeBron, Rob, Liga. It's a lot of y'all. Like I said, we're not gonna keep rehashing it, but y'all know the message has been sent. So figure the fuck out.

So I didn't even think about this, speaking of one job, I totally forgot it because of how they're doing all the game packages, who gets what, streaming wise. I forgot that the Eagles were playing Dallas. Oh yeah, they were. And don't they hang a banner? No, I know I'm not hating on the Calvary school.

They had a little ceremony and all that shit.

I just wanted to see Jerry Jones have a stroke. Not literally, but...

Trey (08:10.306)
Shout out to y'all for going again. George Pickens, man, that's just one piece to the puzzle. Like I said, man, we drafted, you know, we had a solid draft in terms of free agent moves. You know, we did our thing, you know what mean? We did what we could. We like I said, we picked up George Pickens amongst others, So we don't even have to keep rehashing that. Like September 4th, man, in Philly, we're going to be there. Not actually going be there because I'm not going to Philly, but in of just the Cowboys will be on the field with y'all. We'll see what happens, man.

Yes.

WES (08:36.813)
Yeah, exactly.

So we're gonna see what y'all about, We know y'all want this U-Ball and all that sort of shit.

would be cool to see Seguin. I'm giant fan here, how do think I feel? Dude, he fucking, he was a fucking stallion that gets hurt and then as soon as we let him go and then he has... God damn bro. no, it's cool and then he does one of the coolest fucking plays ever.

to the division rival of all places. What we doing? But it's okay, it's cool.

WES (09:11.266)
And I like, you what was that for the X amount of years you were on the Giants? yeah. Who is the Giants quarterback?

Trey (09:30.498)
Okay, Tommy.

Trey (09:35.662)
I just saw a picture of the QB room a second ago.

Did we share? Yeah.

WES (09:49.902)
The Russell Wilson, like Seahawks Russell Wilson? Well hopefully he doesn't pull an Aaron Rodgers Iowa. Yeah.

WES (10:03.174)
shit!

Russell Wilson is in this picture of the four quarterbacks the only one wearing game pants. Yeah, everyone else's. That's some Russ shit. Hey, I just want to say.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

But like, you know, for stepping in when he had to, I'll give it to you.

Given this situation? Yeah, no, mean, it's gonna be cool, bro. I I wouldn't expect too much out of him, obviously, and Jameis. But I think Russ and Jackson Dart, I think Jackson Dart will probably-

WES (10:57.324)
See how he does in preseason.

in the first round. Yeah, we don't see like I said, football is, you know, we can have the draft and everything. We had the free agency period and stuff. So so was it made? Shit starting next month. I mean, got workers have already reported for doing their mini camp and stuff like that. You got OTAs and shit. So you got a bunch of football coming up. But right now,

Right now, yeah, that's we're talking future.

We got baseball, we got hockey, and got NBA. Now starting with baseball, since they're not in the postseason, we're gonna knock that out. we got a lot of Shout out to Yanks, we are first in the ALE. We have a four in NBA. I actually saw we have the biggest division lead in the major. Cleveland is, or Detroit is three and a half above Cleveland.

Seattle was one game above the Rangers and the Astros who started the series this weekend. we got a sub, actually we got the first subway series this weekend. It's the Mets starting tomorrow. Also the weekend of 4th of July is the second one. So we got one here starting tomorrow and then we got the next one is going to be in July.

WES (12:03.197)
so...

WES (12:15.97)
You guys, if you listened to our last episode, which was post... Fuck the Bats, there was a section of that and apparently the YouTube universe really enjoyed the little clip that we had. You couldn't see the whiteboard because you have to go 9x16. But dude, yeah, we went... Well, you said it looks like a pussy and I was like, it looks like a dill. But what killed me was that it's smiling.

fuck them ass.

Trey (12:31.938)
This is a big-ass boy.

Trey (12:38.51)
It is, Scott. I'm asking all those second-

Trey (12:44.054)
What baseball has ever smiled? No baseball has ever.

So to explain the idea behind that graphic is I was originally trying to get him in a headlock like Trey but it didn't look like Trey too much so I was like why don't we do it like Yeah so my idea was he's at a stand up club and we're just yelling to get off the like you saw. That was the idea. Because you know a lot of like PBT or Sloro and all that shit, this may violate my

Thank you so much.

Trey (13:05.966)
which is valid.

WES (13:15.118)
I'm like, dude, I had to put even put in the word like doogie, bullying, and still sit down. Yeah, I'm like, fuck man. like, they do like a picture of you because it's like, I even like type in, I'm like, he's like, I'm like, six one, I go, he's big, not like, you know, I have to, and I put pictures as reference of you. like, yeah, no, no, no, but like, you're not. Yeah. And so they,

No sense,

Trey (13:35.566)
We're working on that right now.

We're getting right. I'm gonna get, we're gonna get unfat though.

ChadGBT just loves giving you facial hair. Yeah. And I try my best. That's the style, man.

Yeah, bro, I got a bit.

Trey (13:52.974)
They like look at their like this guy needs more I'm just like I can't grow

shit so yeah no just saying

really have much of a choice. You said you liked it, I'm like I don't really have much of a choice.

Yeah, I'm saying you gotta partner with that. Everybody's gotta beat her down.

Yeah, dude, it's crazy. Yeah, I'm walking around people looking at me. They're like, why are you so big? My dad's face area that's bald bald like yeah

WES (14:19.67)
Yeah, I was like, I'm sorry.

WES (14:24.974)
It's like, I'm sorry, I want to look young. I'm not trying to, you know, I'm 39 now. Do I want to look 45? I'm cool with looking.

You know, there's no reason. You know, so yeah, I mean, no, without just saying like, just want to throw that in there. Like Wes said, we do have a lot of baseball left, so we just want to kind of cover, know.

Big yeah, but.

bet this little blanket I've since 1998. A lot of dogs and lot of boobs but still got it.

It's so beautiful.

Trey (14:58.498)
You know what? And this is how I feel like we should structure this here. So we're going to jump into NBA now because the Stars do play tonight and we are in Dallas. So we'll kind of leave the second part to them. And also with the NBA, can segue that into. So to start, you got the Thunder Nuggets in Denver. I'm sorry. Just that night. Yeah, I said it so fast. Yeah, no, that was pretty crazy. That was almost like on Fairly Oddparents, Doug Demidone with the blubber.

They'll have a thunder nugget

WES (15:29.041)
Yeah, dude, I love the drill.

But yeah, no, so you got the thunder at the Denver Nuggets tonight, 730.

WES (15:43.213)
We're hop on the dart and pop out there.

be crazy. But yeah, so we got that. The Thunder are looking to try to end the series and advance to the Western Conference Finals against the Timberwolves. I'm seeing OKC right now as a five and a half point favorite in Denver. So that leads me to believe I think Denver's going to cover the five and a half. I am going to pick OKC to close it out. There's a lot of people picking this series to head back to OKC for the seventh game and, you know, seventh and final game. But I'm

think OKC closes out tonight, but I do think that Denver covers the five and a half. And I'm going to say OKC wins by about fourish. I can see like a. Yeah, I'm gonna say it's going to be like.

What was their biggest spread? was the... always been that close within 10 points each game or?

Mean for the most part. Yeah, okay. I Let's see. So game one was 121 to 119 Game two wasn't game two was that the Thunder came back and beat him 149 106 a bit about 43. Yeah, but then the nuggets beat them 113 to 104 then the Thunder 192 to 87 and 112

Trey (16:58.254)
So kind of in that ballpark not exactly but I'm just I still just think in a game where Denver is fighting to keep that season alive in there at home. do think that Yeah, well, yeah, just yeah, I just think that they're gonna they're not gonna lay down so I think that okay so you can kind of pull it out at the end I can see it being like a four-point win maybe like 108 to 104. I'm gonna say that on wax 108 104 somewhere

Oh, 40 point, 70 point.

WES (17:25.813)
Say it all my dog. That is an old school way to radio surf. My god. Are you sure? you know, my god. I haven't heard. It's got stacks of wack. That's why I that logo. said, Tray Valor Broadcasting.

No wax man.

Hey, I look man.

things from my old school that I can take that I bring in and put in here you know.

Trey (17:56.138)
That's that's that's what I'm saying that's why I've always it's always stuck with me because it's always one of those things for me that like What I know and you can use it like even if you weren't doing a podcast like about Texas What's the prediction I would say yeah, I'm putting that on wax even though it's like mostly like I'm putting in text Yeah, I'm saying I'm saying like this

So it's like I'm putting it literally on the record. Put it on wax. God, look. It just sounds... Right? It's good! I'm putting that on wax. we gotta play some... Yeah, anyway.

No.

Yeah, was really it there. do got the Celtics and the Knicks are going to have game six tomorrow night. What's series up? The Knicks are up 32. They did lose last night by 25. But Jason Tatum prayed up to him. He did tear his Achilles two nights ago against the Knicks in game four. So just prayers up for...

It's a tough recovery, but he's one of those guys, he's gonna be resilient, he's gonna come back. It's always, fuck the Celtics, obviously, but regardless, I don't want any injuries to affect that sort of thing.

WES (19:09.742)
Yeah, because we don't want the... I mean, one, because you're a good person, but two, I don't want to hear like, well, we lost our best now.

And especially with lot of fans out there, and I feel like it can go both ways, but a lot of times we do lose sight of the fact that when it affects our team negatively, we will try to use injuries as an excuse. I'm a human being, like, know, the same thing happens. I feel like we got to be more consistent in the fact that sometimes that can flip around on you. And, know, with Steph and the Warriors losing to the Timberwolves. No, they lost.

lost? shit.

He played game when that was it and so a lot of Warriors fans have been saying if we asked that And that's true. Obviously if you are at full strength and anything that full strength versus not full strength They're different team, but there has been series and things previously in the past where You played a team that wasn't full strength and you wanted there was no there was no issue with that You didn't try to you say yeah, won regardless

It both ways.

Trey (20:08.238)
know what I'm Those both ways, so as human beings we gotta start to recognize that hey, it can flip on you.

I'm gonna start using that like, man watch this, I didn't have 86 Jordan on my team. I mean, I know, but I just didn't have them. if I do have them, it doesn't matter.

Yeah, man, like you know you gotta take that on the chin so yeah, there's You know

Let's get millions of dollars. You're going to be just fine. And if you're still, I don't know, under 30, just fine. It's like, dude, enjoy the extra time off. Right.

I miss me with that.

Trey (20:41.166)
Yeah. And also with that, I would not mind a Knicks, whoever comes out of the West finals. Honestly, I wouldn't like even as a, like a lot of people like, how can you watch? I'm like, bro, exactly. I am a basketball fan. I told somebody if it was the Utah jazz and the fucking Washington Wizards, I'm watching the finals. I'm sorry. I'm a junkie. I don't care. I don't care who's playing. I do not care. Other than Celtics Warriors.

What is going on?

Trey (21:11.12)
in the Clippers, know, couple other teams. But, you know, for the most part, like, it could be these smaller market teams or teams that historically are not as good or have not been...

Trey (21:26.222)
Not even really cheer for whoever but just kind of like not mine who wins, you know what Like I can see here and like I said if it was the Jazz and the Wizards like each game I'm like damn he cooking he cooking, you know what mean? Like I'm just looking at objectively like damn they just going at each other like you know what I mean? Like I ain't really worried about who wins.

Yeah, it's kind of like when you bet, you know, it's like betting like, you're like five dollar bet, it's like whatever, you know, I don't mind doing shit like that.

My homies just threw $10 on Julius Randall to be finals MVP because you can always you bet on that Yeah, so he just threw that on there. I just have something root for Yeah, so, you know that sort of stuff is cool to me too because it's just like you don't have any skin in the game like why not just kind of root for Good, you know product of whatever is going on. Yeah But no to segue that I guess we have to say shout out to the master when

Yeah, you got it.

WES (22:13.07)
Absolutely.

WES (22:18.22)
Fuck yeah!

The conspiracy theory, I still don't believe it. I'm not one of those people, but I get why. Too many coincidences, I agree, can lead you to believe that something is a little too good to be true. Yeah. But I will say I am one of those people that when it came to statistics, I mean, 1.8 % chance is not a very large chance, but

it is still less than zero or more than zero. So I, I get it and I can understand. for the teams that it's not impossible. Yeah, but it's not impossible. So that's my thing. And I get it. It does raise some eyebrows given the circumstances of how that trade went down. And here we are a couple of months later and this happens. I get that. However,

A lot of the people have an issue with it because of the teams that had worse records in the maps and did not get.

So how does the draft work?

Trey (23:21.774)
So the lottery is like this. the bottom three teams have a 14 % chance, each of them have 14 % chance of getting the number 1 pick. It's randomly picked. The way they do it is there's a combination of balls. So they'll draw ping pong balls with numbers on them.

And this is right back.

WES (23:37.866)
They're like legit random.

Dude, everyone in that room, there's a team representative from each one. Everyone that's in the lot of top 14 picks, every single franchise has a representative there. They have a little folder in front of them that has every single numerical combination from one of these ping pong balls.

to what it correlates to who gets what pick. So has, so for maps, it has every possible number combination. So like they need this combination for the first pick and they need this combination for the 14th pick. And everything fills in from there. And that's for every single team. So every single team involved has a different set of combination balls to figure out where they're going to pick at. So what happens is there's a guy standing there at the front with a stopwatch and they do it every 30 seconds. So every 30 seconds.

Okay.

God.

Trey (24:29.744)
The guy he'll raise his hand the person behind him will draw a ball show it put it down boom and you just keep doing it for all these combinations so People's issue is the fact that it's not televised. It's not televised, but you can watch it They do post it like they know the NBA pays Lily post

We got live

You can watch the shit. Yeah, you can literally watch them do this. But the thing is, obviously given the circumstances, they're like, it's rigged, this and that. The problem with that is, is the fact that, okay, so if you're gonna rig this, there's a lot of hoops and hurdles you're gonna have to go through in order to do that.

Because A, there's 13 other teams involved in this that you're to have to get on board for. Most people, the people that disagree with us, own thing is like, you have so many other moving parts and you have to get everyone else on board. And to take people back to the Luka trade originally, it was a three team trade. The Utah Jazz were involved in the trade.

I love how people don't focus on that.

Trey (25:32.182)
Eddie Aimes, the GM of the Jazz, did not know. Because a lot of times when you're the third team in the trade...

you're not really focused on the main parts because you're not involved. am I getting? You're just like, who am I getting and what am I giving up per se? Like, you know what mean? You're not really, cause again, you're not the one being approached with the big prize. So you're not really tripping. Cause you know, you're just going to end up kind of throwing in some stuff that you don't really care about. So, but he even came, they came out afterwards and said, he said, had I known whether it was going to like that, that was what was going on. wouldn't have did. So that's, so what people don't realize is that there's a lot of shit going on behind

those doors in terms of the moving parts of, how are you gonna convince this GM or this franchise to be okay with us rigging? They literally, these teams lost games on purpose to try to get the worst record possible to get the better chance to get in the top 50. How are you gonna get them on board with that not working? What are you gonna get them? They're gonna be like,

It's not because they don't need the money.

That's all gonna give them when they don't care about the money. They have enough money. It's the fact of okay Let's sit here and let's tell all these people. Okay, so after you win 18 and fucking 60 You had the worst record early you're not gonna get a topic We're gonna give it to this other team because we made them trade their best, but like they're not going for that.

WES (26:48.44)
Yeah

WES (26:57.55)
Really hard to figure out how to negotiate. Yeah. What is your

Yes, how do you sell the other 13 teams?

fucking joker telling you to like outside of that I don't know

You know, that's my thing is like, I get it. Cause again, too many coincidences is raises many eyebrows. You're just like, hold on. This sounds too good to be true, but it's just like, okay, but you haven't thought about the actual breakdown in the moving parts involved and what you're going to have to do to get whoever to give that up to be like, to be okay with that. And so I'm just like, and again, I get it. But I'm just like, you cannot think that way because it's too much going on for these teams to be like, yeah, I'm okay with not with us having sucked that bad and we don't.

even get a top five. Some of these things fell out of the top three.

Trey (27:48.494)
We won 18 games, but sure, I'll take pick number six. I'm just saying, and I get it. It is very, very, I don't know about that, but at the same time, on the flip side, was like, okay, well, how are you gonna get these people to agree?

Sounds good.

WES (28:02.638)
Yeah, it's kind of like when people with like the moon landing and stuff. I go, okay, so you're going to tell me that try to keep one secret from the government. You're going to convince the Russia, everybody in United States that everybody's going to keep their mouth shut.

about this. That is the I'm glad you use that example. Yeah, I've had one of my friends George love you that the moon he well he's more of a contrarian than he actually believes the moon landing isn't real but he still has that as in his blood as a contrarian he believes it's not real and I'm like how are you gonna convince there was a there was a race to do

Yeah, so you're gonna tell me that we're the Cold War, that we said, yo, Russia, don't be really cool, that we just fuck with the world, and we're gonna be like... Okay, I'm sure you're funny. What was his name? George. George, okay. I'm sure you're a great guy. sure. If you're friends with Trey, friends with me, you're awesome dude. What was the last time you had a friend of yours say, can you keep a secret from yourself? Like, whatever.

No!

WES (29:03.79)
And let's say, assuming you told your girlfriend or something along those lines, you spilled it. So you're going to tell me that everybody in the government and every country in the world was in on it. You're going to tell... So you would think that that would have been leaked. Yeah. Of course, it's not like JFK or somebody calling it up.

I come.

Trey (29:22.466)
You know, let's be for real.

WES (29:28.994)
What's his name? Let's stop. But whoever's in charge of like just calling all your-

Putin.

Yeah, yeah. So it's not like they like just, you know, of course the phone lines are tapped in the White House recording. So it's not like he just went on, he was like, yo, I gotta talk to you about something. Let's take the moonlight in. Yeah, and then they gotta call the guy.

No, I mean that's legitimately the same thing. It's just like how do you get all these people on board with that? What do you give them to make it?

You have guys where money is not an issue. They're making compounded interest on their fortune. again, unless it's the Joker threatening to kill all of y'all's family if you don't do this, which I don't think that's going to happen.

Trey (30:13.934)
And there's so many people that especially with you know with this whole lottery thing like there were multiple NBA journalists that came out and specific team for like there was one jazz guy that was like literally there during the drawing and was just like afterwards he was like you know that was deflating like he just said all this stuff like he was like you know that went about as bad as it could have like he was being so genuine and you had people in his comments like we know it was rigged but he's like I just watched this team that I cover that literally won 18 games

and trying to get the first overall pick, not get it because of a drawing. And you're telling me that the NBA went to behind our backs and was just like, yeah, you guys aren't getting the first pick, fuck you guys.

Yeah, and don't you think if a journalist saw that being rigged, he would've... You know what kind of ratings, like how big his career would blow up? I don't think he loves the jazz that much where he's like, you know what? I like my job here, so I'm not gonna say anything. Come on, dude, you're gonna definitely...

He would've whistled all the fuck Get out of

Trey (31:03.792)
I'm gonna break that story.

Trey (31:12.43)
And it's because people were like, because LeBron went on Pat McAfee and was just like, you mean to tell me I'm coming out of the draft and I'm from Ohio and Cleveland is first pick. Maybe we're talking about the Knicks getting the first pick with Patrick Ewing and the Bulls getting the first pick with Derrick Rose. And I'm like, I totally understand that. But when we go back and look at the draft odds, it's not too far fetched. It's not like these. I mean.

So basically it's like a one in three. Not one in three, but it's not one in five.

It's just this not a zero percent chance. Yeah, that's my whole thing and like again 1.8 is not very big we get that every you you can go tell anyone that understands basic statistics and probabilities that They're gonna be like well no shit if you give me 1.8 percent odds or something like that's not very likely But it is but is it

That's not a sm- Yeah, why do you think Snake Eyes and Craps pays out so big? It's hard to do.

It's not impossible. Yeah, exactly That's that's how I think that's how I think of things like when I took statistics like that's how I think like I'm like, okay a 2 % chance of something is not very likely obviously like that's obvious, right? But it's not impossible. It's not it's not though. I just wonder what it looks like. It's I'm definitely a glass half full type person. Yeah, that's not gonna lie to you. I just don't that might be smart. Yeah, that might be partially why I say yeah, that's half full and I'm just like

WES (32:27.745)
I think

WES (32:36.718)
you

Trey (32:41.826)
impossible it's not something that can't happen it's not a zero yeah

Yeah

That's what it was like correlation not causation. That's why scientists never say with 100 %

Yeah, like a hundred friend just doesn't think that way. There's nothing that's a hundred percent because then it goes the flip side of that. That's not zero percent. it's...

Yeah, there's a high degree of unlikelyhood or a high degree of certain

Trey (33:07.362)
does not and it does not make it impossible. Right. Just because a high degree of improbability does not mean it's impossible.

Yeah, so it's like anything like those guys do trick shots. Yeah, it's unlikely. It's hard to do in

And on top of that, think about how many takes they have to have. You do the math on those, there's one in however many takes, it's a very low percentage that you make it on the first try. Once you finally make it, you go back and you think, okay, well, if I try to it on the first try, these are my odds. And it's not very likely.

Oh yeah, they're like...

WES (33:37.078)
Yeah, like my boy, when he posts something, he's like, yeah, this is tape 95.

Like it's not very likely to do it on the first try, it can be done.

You know how many takes you see? You got everything set up. Just so you know, guys, I edit podcasts, there's a lot of times I start stuff, I splice it together. It sounds like it's one thing, but a lot of gets done out of order. So it just happens like that. I'm sorry to tell you. I wish it wasn't like that. It's not a play.

So to the conspiracy theorists out there and the M.A.S.T. fans who I'm guessing you're happy and also have a little bit of a head scratch, don't. Again, was... Just take the win. We just take that win. Like it's one point eight percent chance. Have you ever heard of beating the obstacle board?

Yeah, like the underdog, like the Americans beating the Russians in hockey in 1980. Okay? Nobody would have thought that.

Trey (34:37.966)
It was not impossible. It was very unlikely, but it wasn't impossible.

So that was, like you said, because I love statistics too, what really fucked me up, not fucked me up, but when you hear, you're like, oh, you know, only 5 % of people. And then we go, all right, but that could be 200 million. So when you start saying, yeah, that's when somebody will go like, oh, how much did you lose? And they'll say, like, I lost 500 bucks.

What is the pool that we're

Trey (35:07.662)
Okay, and I'm glad you put it that way. A 1.8 % chance amongst 13 other teams. That's not...

Yes. It's pretty big. It's pretty good. It's almost a one to one rate. are we talking about? Yeah, so it's like, if I told you, it's like, Wes, how much did lose on the sale last, you know, I lost, you know, $2 on a hundred or whatever. I said, you know, 0.02%. Like, oh, that's it. You're like, oh, but it was $2 at my 10. Like you or whatever, my number that I know was so bad.

You had a 1.8 % chance, but you only had 13 other involved in it. 13 other in that pool. Like, that's it.

That's actually pretty good odds. I think about 1 to 13 is not that bad. It's really not.

Like Like this was all 30 teams involved. Like you were in the, every, all 30 teams aren't in the locker. There's only the teams, only the 14 teams involved.

WES (36:07.764)
every team in history including NBA, college, high school, then yeah that's a little suspect.

1.8 % amongst the 14 total teams that are mixed in this lottery. That's not that far fetched. That's not. Even if it was all 30 teams. That's not that many. That's not that far.

Yeah. Yeah.

WES (36:26.24)
Yeah, one out of three. Yeah, and then what I was listening to before, those random number calculators, those aren't totally random. Right. Because there's an algorithm that will choose it. in fact, if they do the ping pong or whatever, that actually is random.

WES (36:47.63)
That's the happy pick judges in southern district of New York. They have the wheel, the paper in it. literally, it's old school. Unless you like put more, but like when it comes to being random, it doesn't get much more random than that.

Yeah, but you can't read. How the hell are you supposed to read that?

Trey (37:07.534)
But they were talking about like, so specifically for like the Patrick Oon one, cause that was in the eighties, they were talking about it was a frozen envelope. And I'm like, I don't know about you, like, feel like, I feel like that's what they said they used was a legitimate envelope that was frozen. Like maybe it wasn't like still frozen.

WES (37:26.836)
the point of freezing it up.

I don't because you do the will thing and I'm guessing I Don't understand how that makes sense because you got all these other

I feel like it would go heavier.

WES (37:37.038)
Would you realize that with one's wet? Like... Yeah, I know.

I guess they're saying purposely grab the wet one. But when you but they also have that on video too and David certain reaches in and it's not like he was feeling around. He just reached in and the first one that he could like grab with his fingers. He pulled out. Yeah, but you can see it like he literally boom. It wasn't like he went in and did. And then the first one that he could because these are big ass almost was like first one I can grab. I'm gonna it out. Bro, I just it was.

So I'm not there yet.

WES (38:06.19)
It's not, yeah. Yeah, Danny Ocean in Ocean's 11 didn't fucking rig this thing.

This was a thing just like the gorilla thing people were saying it was really because of what happened and again, I know I'm not a So like I guess what I'm saying, like I understand where your mind goes and I get it but I'm but when it comes down to the nitty-gritty of like actually Breaking this down and like making it make sense. It doesn't make any sense

Anyone?

WES (38:32.334)
Yeah, because when I first heard it, because I didn't know that's a giraffe. I just go, wow. Because in my mind, I'm like, was that part of the deal? You know, you could train giraffe more. So that's what I honestly just thought. like, no. And I was like, there's the kicker. And that's I thought. I didn't know the.

yeah, dude.

Trey (38:41.878)
That's what I'm saying.

Trey (38:52.534)
No, this is random. You cannot control they can't Adam Silver is not going to go to Danny Angel in the jazz brass and say I'm sorry I know you guys fucking suck this year on purpose. Let's to get no one on all pick But I need you to do me a solid on top of the fact that again Let's think about what we're talking about when the trade happened Danny Angel did not know what the fuck was going on You think he's gonna then turn around on top of that and like yeah, fuck it. You can get my number one pick away

Think about that y'all like that doesn't make any sense Danny Ains were talking about this was a guy that literally built the Celtics in the point they are right now based off policing other people in trades and being the guy that was a This is game. This is his sort of thing. So like you really think that he's gonna then turn around like as good as I was at that sort of thing I'm just gonna let people other people

Yeah,

WES (39:45.838)
Today, today, today, today,

Today I know I'm not feeling like being that type of guy. No, this, come on dude. But again, it's a fun thought exercise. At first I was like, oh yeah, you know, it's fun to talk about and joke around. People were legitimately talking crazy. I'm like, y'all, this is not real. Like they can't read this. You were gonna piss off so many people. And a lot of these people were mass fans that were talking about it. I'm like, why would you not just accept the win?

Thanks

WES (39:57.902)
I'm usually

WES (40:13.474)
Yeah, that's what like when like a screw up will happen where I if I have a little extra money or something like that like shut the up. Don't complain. Don't bring it up. yeah. It's like, yeah, it's like dude, they gave you extra hours.

They gave me the wrong change. I'm sorry.

Cool, let's go.

If they ask me about LC, I'll but I'm not gonna talk about it.

I will let that direct deposit hit for sure. I will let that direct deposit hit. Sounds like mistakes happen, yes, but we cannot sit here and pretend like the NBA is going to go and also on top of that the whole and again you can talk about how the Luka trade happened and the fact that it happened in general.

WES (40:35.79)
Yeah.

Trey (40:51.468)
The NBA was not going to dismantle the top four market for them. Dallas, people keep trying to pretend, especially mass fans, and I get it because of how the franchise is and it's not the Lakers, it's not these teams, I get that. But let's not pretend like Dallas is Indianapolis, bro. Let's just be for real here. This is Dallas fucking Texas, bro. DFW, this is...

10 billion people here, okay?

This is not some little mom and pop city, This is not Salt Lake City, even Great Cities. I'm just... Oklahoma City! That thing, Oklahoma...

This is not one of those places. Yeah, so if they were gonna dismantle any market like that, it would be Oklahoma City They would make them trade shade to the Lakers or something like that. Why the fuck would they dismantle one of the biggest markets?

You know, it was like early Super Bowls, you're like, okay. Yeah.

Trey (41:46.604)
You know what mean? Like that ass though, like okay, I mean even hell the wizards, man. Who cares? Except for wizards fans. The hornets even, bro.

Who gives a shit about the wizards?

WES (41:57.35)
yeah, after Bugsy nobody cares.

And I get it, because of the way it happened and everything and who it went to and I totally understand that. People are well you're a real leg experience. And I'm like, no, but understand, I'm thinking of this objectively. I get it, but like, bro.

that doesn't make any sense for them to do that. They're like, the ratings were suffering. said, dude, you guys only look at domestic ratings. You didn't realize the NBA is a global game. People are literally in China, literally it's daytime over there. And when it's fucking daytime here, it's nighttime there, they are watching basketball. They were staying up. The only other place that loved Kobe as much as America was China.

Like they're at these plate like that's why they go over there and do these fucking tours. Yeah, you gotta forget about this

was like, was that watching the Redeem team? Yeah. Who would've thought like Grease? They loved them over there. Yeah, like you got players there, players. mean, Luca.

Trey (42:54.016)
And these will be the same people, speaking of him and Yokish, then Giannis, these will be the same people that ignore the fact that those players are coming over here to play because of what they see over in Europe. They see this stuff, they're watching, they literally will talk about it when they're growing up. They're like, yeah, I grew up watching such stuff. So I'm like, so stop looking at it just from an American perspective, just because you don't like the YCNBA. I get it. You might not like it. That's cool. That's not, it's not for you. But there's other people out there in this world that are watching the sport.

Good, yeah.

WES (43:19.843)
Yeah.

Yeah, you know why guys really... You can be aggressive and have a good... If you can't dunk, but you have a good jump shot and be aggressive, Larry Bird. Yeah, Larry Bird come around, that inspires you. You're gonna try to be like that though.

Now, the body.

Trey (43:32.662)
Yes, that expires

do you mean? So I get it. Most of the time we only want to care about what's going on in America. Again, that's neither here nor there. I agree in certain aspects.

think it's cool, like the fact that, to see teams like, know, Greece to be really good because, you know, they got the series of other ladies and all this stuff.

Because you've got guys that come over here to the league and continue to refine their skills. They become some of the best players on the planet.

And it seems like they want to play. Yes. They're ride or die. Their street ball is not just to talk shit. like, I'm playing. This is my college.

Trey (44:16.254)
And again, these are the same people that have wanted a World vs. USA All-Star game and shit. Which would be dope, but how do you think all those players became inspired to come over here to fucking play ball? Because of what they were watching. You don't get that without that. You go over here just discounting the fact that everyone in America doesn't want to watch the NBA, is fine.

That was awesome.

WES (44:35.2)
Watch Michael Jordan.

But like understand there's other people out there in the world that are watching and want to come over here play and continue to inspire the people in their home countries and whatnot to keep doing.

So it's gonna be like that. And I don't know why like, yeah, Dallas was fucked. We had Dirk for the longest time. Literally, where the stadium is, Dirk Nowinski won.

You know what you got in there?

Trey (44:56.302)
And you have a statue of him outside the arena. And also on top of that, you're about to get Cooper Flags. So Nico, you're gonna get your wish. You didn't want a European superstar that was white. You wanted an American one. So here you are. from fucking Maine. How about that? Yeah, Cooper Flags from Maine. His nickname is the Maine of him. that's stupid. bro, he's a monster. I already put it on Twitter. I'm telling you right now. That white boy is cold.

You can't get whiter than that.

WES (45:18.52)
Hey

Trey (45:24.002)
I was afraid, like, so the first clip I saw him in high school, I said, he's different. Like, he was, he's different. I would say he's got a little bit of, he's got a little bit of, like, he's got a little bit of KD to his game. He's also a better passer than people give him credit for. I know, I'm not going to put him in a tier with like a Luger or anything like that in terms of how he sees the floor.

Yeah.

So like differently, how would you compare his playing style?

WES (45:51.884)
so like he can do.

He can, he's one of those guys legit. He's a Swiss Army knife. is a competitor, which is number one. He's one of those guys.

to compete in everything, every drill.

All you ever see about him is all people. I'm just saying he's a competitor. And on top of that, bro, he's got, he's got, he's got, he's gonna just outwork you. He's got, works hard. And on top of that, bro, like his game is so smooth. Like he, when he, like, bro, when he catches the ball at the elbow and you got the defense, so like say you got the center right there underneath the basket or whatnot, or you move over to the opposite block. Whenever he sees the floor, bro, like say he hit him with a little jab, cross, boom, go to the cup or, you know,

Drops who kick it. Like just his vision and the way he sees the game, is just so, it's,

WES (46:41.934)
It's like it takes those fundamentals and just makes it pretty.

Man, I can't need to say enough about it, bro.

Yeah, I gotta know what jersey I'm gonna get. I mean, got a lot of basketball followers, so I gotta get something.

Bro, you gotta...

WES (47:00.614)
I know we were talking about baseball and we were talking about the news. Rose. Somebody asked, was when I was at work, had to follow him on Twitter feed. said, it only takes the die to get lifted. Sheila's job would have been 130

yeah man, that's the beat.

WES (47:26.126)
But again, Pete Rose betted on himself to win.

I can't ever be mad at that. Y'all mean to tell me that y'all mad? Y'all be betting on theyself?

He was the biggest gambler, cockiest motherfucker on the planet and on top of that we're gonna have him Contributing to NBC special contributor shout out to Mike finally jumping in and allowing a new generation to hear his thoughts and how he feels about the game and such and Who knows maybe they'll have one of those segments where they got draft Kings Michael Jordan parlay's and shit. Yeah

He's got a curve. I mean, I know he's got enough money, but...

He bets big. He's a competitor. That's why he does that sort of thing. He has to compete no matter what it is. Whether it's against himself or against other people. That's why he gambles against other people. I'm sure he gambles in Vegas and all. That's what he is.

WES (48:20.734)
It's like by that logic, if you were saying, you're betting on yourself to win. So that means like, that's the point where you can always go, yo, watch this, I'm about to go hit this home run or whatever. Nope, you bet on yourself, can't do that. You're like, dude, what, I want to enrich myself with my talents and not do anything. Now I'm sure Pete Rose was a shit with whatever else, but when it comes to baseball, do anything wrong.

And then like...

I he's got the most hits. Jeter is like number eight or five compared to him. It's something stupid like that. Yeah, and they were talking about it on the PacRace show and you know about any hits he had and I wanted I just wish I could just jump in on the mic and just go I go it's funny you mentioned that because Trey and I always say the hardest thing to do in sports is to hit a baseball.

fucking ninety five mile per

And to do it over 4000 times. How long was his career? It wasn't... It wasn't...

WES (49:23.416)
Okay, I mean.

WES (49:27.404)
that guy was fucking you know and what he did for the city of Cleveland or I'm sorry Cincinnati yeah so it's just thank you you know it be your Cooper Saturday

see.

WES (49:46.7)
Okay, but still, mean, many, to hit 4,000?

Yeah, I'm looking at his though, so yeah.

170 next year 139 209 205 176. Okay, so I'm looking so so he had in 65 and 66 he hit he had over 200 hits and a 68 through 70. He had over 200 I'm trying to look at how many times and how many he strung together

So he's after like, 200 seems to be the minimum for you.

Yeah, and then 75 through 77 over 200 like we're trying to see if he's struggling together how much how many times yeah So yeah, so he's snoring together. He had two in a row and then he had three in a row twice So like come on

WES (50:29.774)
Dude, it's, yeah, 200, like, come think about we've been doing this for a year, we've done 25 shows. Just really think about it. Like, I don't think my car has started.

Thank you.

Trey (50:48.046)
24 years. Yeah, no, so, you know, mean, it's so man, like I said, shout out to the mass man. Y'all be happy to join out there and got that stick the way you can keep bitching about shit like that.

She was Joe Jackson got lifted to gas.

WES (51:02.478)
Maybe the gods or the basketball gods. We're just like, know what? We feel your pain.

They will smash them all down.

Trey (51:10.606)
that transition we do have another Dallas team playing tonight that'll be the Stars against the Winnipeg Jets. Stars are up 3-1. game isn't Winnipeg, they're trying to close it out. I'm seeing Winnipeg is minus 135 to win Dallas plus 115 to underdog so...

We spanked it, didn't we? It wasn't like 16, it was something stupid like that.

See, remember how you were talking about like, we were talking that you like close games and shit and I fucking hate them? This is like one of those games where I want to shut out. I don't want, I want this- Yeah, I just want to know that we're gonna get in. I don't want this to drag on for another...

to me though.

Trey (52:00.558)
Oh, first game was 3-2 against the Jets Wednesday, May 7th. And then the next game, the Jets won 4-0. You're thinking of game three, the Stars won 5-2. And then on Tuesday, they went 3-1. So tonight, they're trying to close it out.

Okay.

WES (52:19.884)
Okay, so we're averaging two goals a game.

Essentially man, so yeah, man, like, you know, out to them. Shout out to Yeah, dude, you got care. I still want one in the second. Yeah

Did all of Southern.

You got Las Vegas? That's up the road, got Carolina? Yo, North, what's going on guys? Let's have one joke.

They don't know. They don't fucking know. But yeah man, that's good one. That was it, bro.

WES (52:45.73)
That's how you get off your chest. Sorry, it took so long to get it.

no, nah, we good bro, I just want to let people know that y'all cannot consider everything a fucking conspiracy.

I love it. And it's like, yeah, I thought you were about to say experience. I'm like, this is a. No, no, it's true. It great. It's not on your show. I just made it so that's all. That's my job. All right, guys. All right, guys. We'll get you on the place. We'll see you next.

No, this is always... This is the Western Trade Experience.

Trey (53:06.158)
Or rather get up there and talk.

Trey (53:15.948)
Yeah,

you